THE GREAT WHITE DOPE

A quick shill to start this off this week. My buddy Joe Calvert, cheap plug, just had his first child on May 9^th. With that and his work duties he can unfortunately not attend ROH's Supercard of Honor VI in Chicago on Saturday May 21^st. Needless to say this leaves me with an additional 2^nd row ticket I need to get rid of. So if you like ROH, have never seen it and are in the Chicago area, for $40 (which is event ticket price) you can be second row for a fantastic night of wrestling action. Use the forums, Twitter, or message in a bottle to get a hold of me. First come, first serve.   Now, let us move onto the hot-ness.

So on Monday Night Raw The Miz claimed that he is "more conniving and ruthless than anyone". And yet this Sunday we are going to see Michael Cole/Jerry Lawler III.   So I'm kind of leaning towards the writers and producers of WWE storylines. Raw is always one of the hottest topics on the WWI forums each and every week. Going with that post-Wrestlemania Lawler/Cole is one of the most groaned about topics every week on the WWI Forums. So here we go, and please note that at no time during this discussion will I, unlike everyone else, type the words "I Quit" (please exclude this typing of it. Or pretend I mouthed it or something. Everyone who says the phrase says it just so they say they won't. Insert paradox here.)

Wolfchild

God this is a long shot, but I'd love to see Punk start a feud with ADR...

Drewcifer

Here's a crazy idea:

Dancin' Chris Jericho makes a surprise return and challenges ADR to a Salsa Dancing contest. That idea has $$$ written all over it.

The Chosen One

Jericho as face against ADR?

            Johnny Craze

            That could work. But when is Jericho coming back?

The Green Teabagger

I'd bet money that when Jericho comes back, it'll be as a heel, and it will be on Smackdown

Via The Rock's Twitter:

Just caught John Cena walking down the street: http://say.ly/xAlkCQ

The Green Teabagger

"Superstars is Ryder" sign

WOW

Alexander Phoenix

That's my joke, Riley, you insufferable douche.

Johnny Craze

There's Punk!!

The Green Teabagger

Oh good. I was afraid they were going to ask McGillicutty, Ryan, or Otunga to talk.

WolfChild

Thank God. I was worried Kharma was gonna try and kiss Kelly Kelly for a minute there...

The Green Teabagger

Will we finally end the mystery as to what R-Truth's heel theme is???

WolfChild

Wait. WWE just stole the 'I'm pissed because I'm mexican and you're puerto rico thing from TNA'... Sorry, Impact Wrestling... Still, now i've seen it all...

Oh good. A kiss my foot match. We've gone from suck to blow.

            The Green Teabagger *rimshot of the week*

            No we haven't gone that far thankfully. It's just a kiss, not a blow or a suck.

Wolfchild

Oh my god! We're keeping all three announcers! The streak is broken!!

Average

Everyone says "no" to Miz.. He pulls out the cellphone... Welcome back Jericho.

Not going to happen, but it would be pretty sweet.

The Chosen 1

AHHHHH Did you all catch that? WWE just took the chance to realize that something they did was stupid and changed it....

NOW it's going to be "Should Cole ever be inducted into the Hall of Fame,.... Jerry Lawler will be the one to do it." Not that if he wins he's in the HOF.

EDIT: OH MY GOD! THEY KEPT ALL THREE ANNOUNCERS! AFTER NEARLY 4 LONG MONTHS! THE CURSE HAS BEEN BROKEN!!!

One of the best/worst things about professional wrestling discussions are the semantics. It's the little debatable questionable nuances that exist in the realm, technicalities if you will. Some range from "What constitutes a world championship?" to bigger discussions of "Is Chris Benoit a hall of famer?" all the way to "Has there been any physical proof that Hulk Hogan really was Mr. America? I mean, seriously, Photoshop isn't that hard. Mcmahon or one of his cronies could've done it. Hell, I could do it in three minutes. No, not Three Minute Warning, stop, I don't need the reference. Yes I know, three minutes, I get it. Ha ha. I'm trying to be serious here. I don't think Hogan was Mr. America. Shut up, it is important. Name one more thing that holds more weight than this conversation? Who cares about Pakistan? This is America and we're talking about Mr. America! I hate you. I'm totally unfriending you on Facebook."

JohnnyCraze

Isn't the current WWE World Heavyweight Championship really the WCW world Title?

            The Green Teabagger

            Simply, No.

Yes, Orton's belt looks like the WCW Title (actually, it probably IS physically the old WCW title) but it's not. That title's history began when Bischoff handed Triple H the belt back in 2002. It's a whole different championship, even if it's using the same physical belt.

The WCW title officially died when Chris Jericho became the first Undisputed Champion.

                        Aaron Wood

Yeah, even the WWE themselves start it with Hunter.

            Johnny Craze

            I mean the belt itself. Is the actual belt the old WCW title? I don't mean what it represents.

                        The Green Teabagger

                        Oh, then almost certainly it is with a upgraded/updated design

The Chosen 1

Its not the same physical belt at all it's just inspired by the old WCW Title...

The original one awarded to HHH was though.

Johnny Craze

OK, that's all I wanted to know. It definitely looks like the old WCW belt.

Mike Johns

It's slightly modified. For one, the new one has a WWE logo on the top. There's other minor modifications, as well, but the logo being the most significant.

Or a small conversation about how to do a match without blood…

JohnnyCraze

How do you have an I Quit match without blood?
Actually, how do you have a first blood match without blood?!

            The Green Teabagger

            Second question, not important.

An I Quit match without blood? That's easy.

                        Mike Johns

                        Stick to submission holds. There's no rule that says you have to bludgeon someone with a chair 90 times or try to gouge their eye out with a chair leg in order to win.

It just makes more sense to. Thus, why we'll remember Tully/Magnum TA and Mankind/Rock long before we remember Cena/Miz

                                    The Chosen 1

                                    Cena-Orton 2 years back was pretty sick and there wasn't a drop of blood.

That's the one where Orton handcuffed Cena and caned the crap out of his ribs

TheGreatWhiteDope

The Miz is gonna bring out Cena's dad / Cena's dad will be in the audience and he will torture him to make Cena say I quit / attempt to make him say I quit.

            Mike Johns

            Miz is going to make Cena's dad watch Impact?

This Week in WWI Forum History

Here we are again gentlemen and…lady? Ladies? Hmm….Well, here we are again. The Delorean is out of commission this week so instead I'm going to have a scientist bang a nuclear bomb with a rock until it explodes. I know how that sounds. Trust me, it's a time-tested, scientifically proven method of time travel. While it sounds primitive, seriously, there is some math involved. This isn't high school. I don't have to show you the work. We're more or less just kind of waiting at this point. It can take a few hits. She'd work faster but she did just fall into a thirty foot crater set off by a magnetic field disturbance hidden in a small pocket under the ground. It's all very natural really. This thing better hurry, though, the only thing left on my DVR is TNA Impact Wrestling Sacri…….

Ask Matt Dawgs Anything May 10^th - May 17^th 2008

Mr. Dawgs has a restraining order on me at this point in time. So I can't mention anything happening now. Luckily though, we're in the past right now, which is currently the present, but still the past. So here is what everyone else was wondering about back in 2008. They also started to ask James Guttman.

Squeaky

You have one hour of TV per week. If you are putting on 4 PPV's per year, how many wrestlers do you need on the roster to keep things fresh? Faces, heels, jobbers, etc?

            Matt Dawgs

            25

                        Squeaky

                        10 faces, 10 heels, 5 jobbers?

                                    Matt Dawgs

                                    No neccessarily. You can mix and match. 8 faces and 12 heels, 11 faces and 9 heels. 5 jobbers are good though.

JohnnyCraze

Have you seen the movie Silence Of The Lambs and if so, did you like it?

            Matt Dawgs (Guess what I have a video of him doing?)

            I did and I liked it alot.

James Guttman

I think you need more heels than faces since it sends a message that, in the big picture, the good guys have to battle against the odds.

As for asking Matt - have you watched WWE MSG Classics? I always forgot about it and just watched for the first time this week. Thought it was awesome. They showed the 1991 Taker-Warrior bodybag card and a 1984 show with Snuka vs. Piper.

            Matt Dawgs

            I missed this week's. I forgot to set it to DVR and my brother texted me but i wasnt home. I will be taping/watching next week.

Squeaky

Along that line of thinking, would it be smart to have a dominant heel faction from day one that is comprised of 50% of the bad guys? Ala the 'new breed' in the new ECW?

            James Guttman

            I would have a group of three (Freebirds-like) or a group that's loosely alligned but not committed (more Heenan Family than NWO.) That way you can have them do a group battle thing but still be able to use them as singles stars without it seeming strange. That was always the biggest problem with the NWO. When you saw Scott Norton or Stevie Ray by themselves, it looked off. In the case of Michael Hayes or Terry Gordy, you can send them out solo and it seemed natural.

                        Matt Dawgs

                        I would have a group of three (Freebirds-like) or a group that's loosely alligned but not committed (more Heenan Family than NWO.) That way you can have them do a group battle thing but still be able to use them as singles stars without it seeming strange. That was always the biggest problem with the NWO. When you saw Scott Norton or Stevie Ray by themselves, it looked off. In the case of Michael Hayes or Terry Gordy, you can send them out solo and it seemed natural.

Kevin Nash and the X-Division - May 16^th 2006

Remember when TNA focused on the X-division? Then they didn't focus on the X-division. Then they brought in Kevin Nash and started to focus on the X-Division again. Then it seemed like it was TNA's joke on the X-division. Then it infuriated the TNA internet fans. Then Kevin Nash went to the hospital. Then TNA stopped caring about the X-division again. Hell, just rinse repeat this whole thing about seven times over and you'll have the past five years of TNA and the X-division.

 - Kevin Nash Live Audio Wrestling

Dark Lord

They both sound like ignorant dickheads, to me...

The Green Teabagger

If Kevin Nash is genuinely interested in giving the X-D rub, then I'm all for it.

Then again, it is Kevin Nash.

T-Dog

Sounds like the interviewer was being a bit of a prick. Me thinks that Nash actually will do the right thing here. The problem is that his recent track record doesn't suggest such. So far the whole thing has been good (for at least one night) so I'll reserve opinion on this whole storyline until later.

The interview on the other hand sounded like two hard heads light heartedly going at it even though the opinions were strong.

David

I'd be more afraid of this if what had happened with Samoa Joe had not happened. I have faith in TNA right now.

Heaven Help Me.

Viet

Kevin Nash is hilarious in that interview. Didn't you guys see the part in the Alex Shelley interview where he told Shelley to take credit for everything regardless whether or not it was the truth? Whether or not that was his intention for claiming to help Rey, it's still funny to me. Shelley and Nash is better than almost everything else in TNA.

Keevel

Nash is great on the mic.

Can you imagine him in a Larry Z/Eric Bischoff role in a few years?

Aaron Wood

Kevin Nash has worked in the same bullshit way for years. He's all funny and cool when in front of you or a microphone, but he'll stab you in the back and then shit on you when you're not looking.
He's just doing the same now. He's all funny and having a laugh with everyone, including, this time, the fans themselves, and yet all the while, it is NOT Nash's intention to put over anyone. He may lose to someone, but as has been mentioned, he lost to Rey but it didn't do much for him.

Just try not to fall for Nash's obvious bullshit. Please. You're like serially cheated-on wives. No matter how much they hurt you, they will always draw you back in...

EaglesFn345

I stopped watching the WWF right about when Diesel's multi-million $ Championship reign kicked in

I think my favorite description was something I read on this board, so if you said it, I apologize for not giving you crediting you specifically, but to paraphrase: "Kevin Nash is like the asshole at the bar who thinks it's OK for him to hit on your girlfriend just because he's tall and handsome"

BlackFrancisFan

I've rather enjoyed Nash's storyline thus far. In the interest of full-disclosure I should say that I am a long-time Nash mark, but it's nice to see old-timers like Jarrett and Nash finally interacting with guys like Joe and Shelley, up and down the card instead of facing each other in a long series of main events. In addition, Nash has been very entertaining in his role thus far and has helped elevate one of those "small guys" he apparently dislikes in Alex Shelley. I remember reading that this storyline has been designed to let AJ Styles defeat Nash in honour of the X Division. There is very little to suggest that Nash will not do what's right in the end. If he doesn't, I'll be the first to admit fault with him. In the meantime, we should enjoy what's shaping up to be a very fun storyline. Nash's comments about Rey-Rey were pretty ludicrous, but they also seemed sort of tongue-in-cheek and came after a downright unprofessional approach to interviewing Nash.

Exx

I hate to admit it, but I've loved Nash in this angle so far.

Owen Hart Memories - May 17^th 2010

Just last year we, as a community, came to talk about one of the most memorable performers in wrestling history. One, as all know, who tragically died at a young age. It started as a comparison of WWE naming their May 23^rd 2010 PPV "Over the Limit". Owen's death came on May 23^rd 1999 at a WWF PPV named "Over the Edge". If anything it shows how much that wrestling fans actually did care about Owen Hart. He has a legacy that has lived on even into the next generation of young fans. While WWE rarely mentions him, fans have never really forgotten him.

James Bullock

I had to ask for that show as a birthday present eleven years ago.

Mike Johns

It was the day before our Senior Trip. One of my friends even made up a shirt to wear that day in memory of Owen, and it's all we talked about. Owen, the Blue Blazer, the Hart Foundation... People who didn't even watch were even in on it. It was odd. Our class never got along too well as it was, so, in the last few weeks, it was weird how everyone was kinda of like friends. And it was even weirder how we all kind of came together over Owen Hart, even though half of us didn't even know who the hell he even was at the time.

Canadian Bulldog

My Owen story (which I've probably written about before, but whatever): I was at my best friend's wedding (the wedding, that is; not the movie of the same name) the night of Over The Edge. Given I was in the wedding party, I wasn't going to be able to cut out early to watch the PPV.

I remember making small talk with some guy I'd met a few weeks earlier at one of the pre-wedding events (he also liked wrestling). The one match we talked about? You guessed it - Stone Cold Steve Austin vs. The Undertaker....

Just kidding: The Godfather vs. The Blue Blazer. The reason why was because I had heard an (obviously weak) rumor that they were planning on having a different guy under the mask tonight - Shane Douglas! Lord only knows where that rumor came from, but this was an era where cut and paste sites posted nothing but speculation all day long. As opposed to today, where..... aw, never mind.

Anyways, so my wife at the time and I got home from the wedding and I actually failed to check the results online (which meant I was REALLY tired). We were woken up the next morning by a friend of my ex's, saying did we hear about the dead wrestler? I remember running downstairs to buy a newspaper and, being in Canada, it was on the front page of every daily.

To this day, it's the one event that makes me pause whenever I think 'why do I watch wrestling?'. Owen was such an amazing human being, and the two times I'd met him I was blown away by how nice and personable he was. 11 years ago - wow.

RDLee

My full Owen story is that I come from a extremely small family of about 8 people including now my wife and daughter. So you could understand that I haven't had to deal with alot of death in my life on any level. Only my Grandfather passed away when I was about 5 years old and I still didn't understand things very much at that age. My other grandparents were gone before I was born.

Now having said that let me say that Owen Hart's tragic passing was my first real experience in dealing with death in life. At the time of the tragedy I was still a big fan of his and the whole Hart family in general. Everyone I knew was a DX or NWO fan while I stood by the Hart Foundation since day one. When I got home from church that night after having picked to go to a youth group function for the first time over watching a WWE PPV, I began to listen in on the scrambled PPV channel of the replay of Over The Edge.

That's when I heard what happened. Several hours later after it occurred I sat there stunned as Jim Ross broke the news that one of my heroes had died. My world crumbled. I woke my mom up and we stayed awake all night cutting out pictures of Owen to make a tribute poster while I was absolutely heartbroken and in tears. My brother, who was 9 at the time, was a bigger fan of Owen than I and even had his hair cut just like him (Flat top style) at the time. When he woke up the next day he learned about death the hardest of ways because it was his first time dealing with it too. We stayed home from school for a few days to deal with the pain we were feeling since it was a life changing experience for both of us.

Long story short, I'll never forget how much that incident meant to me as a person even though I never even knew the man. Thank god everyone that knew him has said nothing but nice things about the guy so I don't feel disappointed in the way I felt at that moment in life.

James Bullock

Since everyone is doing Owen stories, I have one too. I am a huge mark for the Harts. Bret is my favorite wrestler of all time, and Owen was right there with him-esspecially during his KOR run. So what kind of surprise was it for me the Monday after te 1995 Survivor Series to meet them both.
That night, my dad took me and my best friend to the show, and we happened to see these two big guy in sweats near one of the buildings rear entrances. My friend recognized that it was Bret facing us, so we ran up to him. Just inches away from Bret was Owen. Once Owen saw us coming, he stomped Bret on the foot and ran. Bret stood dumbfounded until he he turned to us. Bret was real nice, signed our programs, and talked about how rough his match with Diesel was the night before.
All of a sudden, Owen returns with a program of his own. Owen looked at us before saying, "Bret, gimme your autograph!" Bret hesitated, but obliged. With a smirk on his face, Owen ripped up the program before yanking ours out of our hands. He signed both programs, handed them back to us before telling us, "Now, that program is worth something," before taking off again. Bret was fighting back laughter so hard that he could barely excuse himself to get ready for the show. I've met quite a few wrestlers, but that moment is my favorite.

RowdyRodimus

At the time I didn't even have the internet, let alone money to order PPV's. Luckily it was before Digitalo Cable came here, so you had to go get a little tube to put on your cable line to get PPV's. SInce it wasn't a digital lockout you could still hear and see a scrambled picture, so I was playing a game of Axis and Allies (great boardgame if you've never heard of it) with some of my friends while it was on, that was pretty much our tradition. Well, my turn came just as JR mentioned Owen and we could just tell it was real even without seeing it, unlike some people we had enough respect to end the game.

The next day at work the guy who also worked with me (it was a records storage place so all they needed was the two of us in the warehouse and the two people up front) was broken up about it, he was a huge Hart fan, all of them. Before we got busy and had to start our deliveries I went and bought some pink and black ribbon and some small safety pins and made up a bunch of ribbons in his honor. We wore them out on deliveries and when the customers asked what they were about, we told them and all of them wanted one as did their employees. It was cool to see doctors and lawyers along with the head honchos of Trane and Tyson foods wearing a ribbon about a wrestler they didn't know but could tell meant a lot to a couple of guys who delivered files to them.

TheGreatWhiteDope

I've always watched wwe

Owen made me laugh a lot...Owen entertained me. I never hated him even when he was a heel....something about him (probably being Bret's brother) made me always like him.

ZAH

I remember watching him pre-WWF during the old Stampede Wrestling show on TSN. He was absolutely amazing to watch and did moves I had never seen before. It was fantastic to watch his maturity not only in the ring, but on the mic...as he really became a pretty entertaining speaker.

I absolutely could have foreseen a world title reign at some point during his career had it not been cut tragically short.

James Guttman

Few remember the rumors that Shane Douglas was going to debut at that show under the Blazer mask. Not sure if there was anything to it at the time, but it was something a lot of people were guessing at.

My story sucks. I've told it before in audios. Back then, I used to call this 976 line called "Coach Kurt's Wrestling Line." Some dude from Motor City Wrestling would spend one minute giving you all the news. It was like 50 cents a call or something. There was no additional minutes. Just one. One minute to get all the news in and then it would cut off. So this guy would tear into the news every time giving ultra fast results that I would eat up daily.

Some of my buddies were moving out of their apartment, so we had a going away party. In the middle of it, I called Coach Kurt from the other room just to get the results from the show and right off the bat, he started running through everything.

"CoachkurtwiththeresultsfromtheshowOvertheEdge (breath)..."

That's how it went. Really quick.

When he got to Owen's match he goes, "Blue Blazer versus Godfather, before the match, Owen fell from the rafters, 70 feet to...his...death...After that Jeff Jarrett faced..."

I just sat there in shock. I came out and told everyone but few believed it at first. The next morning, we watched it on the news. It sucked. Big time.

The worst Owen Hart moment came after all that, though, when Roddy Piper and Vince Russo used it to do their worked shoot bullshit during TNA's Wednesday shows. Piper called Vince out and kept asking if he killed Owen Hart. They played it off as unscripted but, as I called Russo out for in his ClubWWI interview, it made no sense. If Piper felt he killed him, why would he agree to work with the company that Vince was with? Russo danced around it for a while and then said something about money making people do things. It was easier than saying, "Yeah. I scripted the crap that killed a good man and then used it to try to add realism to a show five years later."

SQUEAKY

I think Abdullah the Bulldog said it best to open his column this week.  

"Look, I realize that wrestling allegedly appeals to the lowest common denominator -- the very same people who attend monster-truck rallies, watch amateur bowling on television, chew tobacco, and listen to   Aaron Wood   audios (SEE THEY STILL HATE EACH OTHER!). That's a stigma I've had to live with during my past 74 years as a wrestling fan; you just have to suck it up and deal with it."

I really like wrestling, but every time I go to an ROH show and hear someone chant ‘you f**ked up' when someone falls on their head missing a spot, I wonder if my affection would be better spent in another avenue…like ANYTHING ELSE.

That being said, Bulldog's 10 Wrestling Storylines That Were in Terrible Taste - Even By Wrestling Standards was a good read and sparked a discussion about Macho Man's scripted abuse against women (awkward) and everyone's favorite ‘don't call him retarded' special needs wrestler, Eugene.  

James Bullock: I still have that Macho Man moment on tape (yes, I still watch VHS tapes), and to this day I don't understand why Torrie thought this incident was so funny. Even knowing it's fake, you'd think she'd have a little fear of the possibility a crazed Savage could actually lose his top in the moment.

Canadian Bulldog: Domestic violence = hilarious.

TheGreatWhiteDope: Whats worse is I'm pretty sure he slapped her so she'd stop laughing. Somehow that failed.

Canadian Bulldog: I'm surprised TNA hasn't copied that angle yet.

TheGreatWhiteDope: The fans haven't signed the right waivers yet.

The Chosen 1: I LOVED Eugene from Day 1 to Summerslam... then HHH ate him in a cage and I stopped caring. There was a moment during the build-up to HHH-Eugene that I really thought "Ya know, if he pulls back on the 'tardy-ness' just a bit at some point in the near future I can absolutely see him as World Champion"

Crazy.

So Brock Lesnar is having a re-occurrence of his Diverticulitis.   It is neither a diversion of tickling, or an ‘itis' that is affecting his dick, no matter what those snarky 8^th graders are singing at lunch time!

PeterDawson: So news breaking all over is that Lesnar has to pull out of UFC 131 thanks to a relapse of Diverticulitis.

Squeaky: I think he's done. Not in life mind you, just in MMA.

PeterDawson: Too soon to say. I don't think he'll run for nearly as long as, say, Couture, but I think he's still got more in him. It really depends on what this ends up doing to him long-term.

Squeaky: I don't think his heart is in it anymore. When you have a near death experience it changes your priorities. I hope it's not the case, but this is the equivalent of cancer returning. This isn't like a herpes flareup.

Not that I would know what that's like.   This isn't a herpes cold sore, this is aphthous ulcer! We can still totally make out!

Out Of Context Comment of the Week!

RDLee: I would use a puke colored controller covered in dog shit!

End of Out Of Context Comment of the Week!

Thanks RD!