THE GREAT WHITE DOPE

For anyone who reads this column weekly I'm sure you've noticed how us three have a rotation going on.   Needless to say it keeps every portion fresh and keeps all of us from snapping like Mike Johns has. There was an office memo sent out about two months ago. We're not supposed to make eye contact with him at all. You also can't cup your ear and ask him to speak up; it's said to send him into a murderous rampage. We've updated our parental controls around here and haven't told Mike the password. It should keep out anything referring to Hogan, TNA, Bischoff, or "stupid wrestling angles or characters".   Anything on our computers with TNA, Impact, or T&A had to be deleted as well, just in case Johns had to borrow ours for a few minutes. Luckily, we saved some money with this and after freeing up about one hundred gigs on Aaron Wood's computer we don't have to buy him an external hard drive.

Thing is I kind of enjoy looking at Impact. When I only have to see what is going on every few weeks it just makes it easy. What isn't to enjoy? Right now we get to see a comedic rebranding, the attempts at pushing wrestling again, and...let us see here...Hogan wrestling? Crap...

Mike Johns

Oh, this is going to be fun. Hogan, in a recent interview with The LAW...

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.php?id=58034

On wrestling one more match: "Well it's a calculated risk, it's not like 'Oh my God he's an idiot with all the back surgeries he's going to wrestle in Brantford and if he gets knocked down he's in a wheelchair' - it's not that story. If I do get in the ring it's a calculated risk, these guys are professionals and instead of being body slammed someone can hit me in the throat, rake me in the eye, I can crumble down to the ring or take a bump on the back of my neck and shoulders and not hurt my lower back. There are a lot of ways to do it and if you think of the risk versus reward, it does matter, it's a pretty foolish thing to think about wrestling after eight back surgeries but then there's also the love of the business and how I love being around the guys, the fans and you guys so I'm torn between what really makes sense and what I feel. It probably has a lot to do with ego, which I try not to get involved with, I like to take ego when it comes up and put it on the wall and go back to what makes sense so it doesn't make a lot of sense when you ask the question but it's a consideration at this point."

The struggle of getting the television audience to purchase TNA pay-per-view events: "A lot of it has to do with awareness and the fact that we can get to the people. If I go into my hotel room in Chicago there are certain cable networks that are on like USA Network - there is no Spike TV. I mean a lot of it depends on who you can get to and who you can reach there is a lot more than 'the fans aren't buying it' there is more to the equation and that's a very shallow statement and that's not a fact. The people that see it are buying it, there just aren't enough people seeing it. That's what it is - it's creating awareness, a marketing plan we have to work with Spike TV and boost them up the ladder. I don't know how many cable networks there are in the States if it's 25 or 35 but in the paper it shows you who the top ten are so if we can get Spike up to that number one position the whole equation would change on how many people are buying it and change the equation and someone wouldn't say 'no one is buying it' well the people that are seeing it are buying it so it's creating that awareness to make people more aware that the product is there and that they can get it and when they walk into a hotel in Brantford that Spike is available."

Yes, because it's Spike TV's fault TNA's PPV sales have dropped from 35,000 on average to 8000 on average since 2005 (the most significant of which was in the past year, dropping from 12,000 average to 8000). It has nothing to do with TNA's creative direction, at all...

            Sprout1883

            The first bit is brilliant. Basically Hogan saying I will have a rubbish match if I get in the ring and then he goes on about risk v reward

Mike Johns

Hogan is so confident in his draw, he doesn't care if he has a shit match.

JohnnyCraze

If the plan is for Sting vs Hogan at Bound For Glory, it better not be for the TNA world Title. If it is, I don't want to watch.

Chyna's back!! Didn't I just mention her in the raw thread last week?
Foley is the rep? Whatever.

TheGreenTeabagger

Oh yeah, and you can probably be assured it's for the title and that Hogan will win because he's a petty douche who wants his win back from a match that he f**ked up with Nick Patrick from 14 f***ing years ago.

Wolfchild

Wrestling Matters! Because eye rakes and avoiding bodyslams or, around 3/4's or Sting's actual offense, will make for a great match that everyone will want to see... Just change the name to Total Contradiction Wrestling. That will make a touch more sense...

            JohnnyCraze

            Hogan is 57 f**king years old. Give it a rest already.
That match he f**ked up....was that at Starcade 1997?

The TNA/Impact/This year's smash hit name change-a-thon continues. Seriously, this hasn't been fully fixed yet? Let's look around real quick. Website: www.tnawrestling.com Twitter: www.twitter.com/TNAWrestling Television: Impact Wrestling. New Slogan: Wrestling Matters. Legit quote from the company on the name: "We feel the new IMPACT WRESTLING branding message will resonate with our audience who crave the action-packed wrestling that only TNA can provide." (I legit ask you to read that five times and think about it just enough to not have an aneurism.)

Mike Johns

Action-Packed? You sure these guys are watching TNA and not, say... DGUSA? I know how that may be difficult, considering how DGUSA is shot on SD cameras with less-than-stellar sound quality in arenas that actually make the Impact Zone seem big by comparison, and have a primarily Japanese roster of guys that are barely in their 30s who barely slow down to catch a breath, doing things you weren't even sure the human body was capable of, but really... what show are you guys watching?

Markus Ramius

by what you say TNA are trying to change their name to Imapct Wrestling... is this true? if it is it's completely stupid, it won't be as easy as going from WWF to WWE and they don't have a catchy "Get the F out" slogan... what's their slogan?

Mike Johns (I would assume typing this with massive hate)

"Wrestling Matters"

Sprout1883

Thing is Impact wrestling is a sucky name.

Are they trying to emphasise they are wrestling seeing as WWE is branding it's self solely as entertainment?

Wouldn't be so bad if TNA/Impact Wrestling actually let their talented guys wrestle, yet the X Division is getting buried and guys like A.J, and Joe are pushed to the side/afterthoughts to the likes of Hogan, Sting, Flair and all the Angle and Jarrett nonsense

If they were going for a change then to me they need to go with one big reset and if not they at least need to put the belt on a guy who actually wrestles

Wolfchild

So do we call wrestling on Thursday nights now Impact Wrestling's Impact? Now we need a new 'they' called Impact so we could say Impact wrestling's Impact present's Impact...

I feel like i'm in Dr Seuss...

James Guttman

Let's all just agree to call it "NWA-TNA".

That'll piss 'em off.

Mike Johns

Is there even anyone left in the NWA to get pissed off?

Also, wolfchild, please stop suggesting new "theys". 17 was enough.

The Chosen 1

how bout the fact that it's still technically TNAWRESTLING.com regardless if you type impactwrestling.com or not... visually it still says tnawrestling...


I'm all for EASING into the name change, but the way they're making it seem is as if the SHOW ON SPIKE TV is now just called IMPACT WRESTLING but everything else is still TNA and the company's name is still TNA. Which is not a big change at all.... they should just so a thing where they give a date and say that on this date everything will officially become IMPACT WRESTLING make up some legal reason that the name is still technically TNA until the fiscal year is over or something so that people GET that the company's name is changing

Markus Ramius

soooo... does this all mean that the forum on here will be changed to impact wrestling?

also i wonder who's idiot idea it was to have a compnay with just a 2 letter initial, chanting IW at a show is not the same as chanting something like TNA or WWE or ECW

The Green Teabagger

I'd have thought the short name would be "It still sucks."

ZAH

I would assume they'd chant "IM-PACT WREST-LING (clap clap clapclapclap)".

TheGreatWhiteDope (Note: I am serious with this comment, still.)

I'm putting this here because it would be an advertising blunder and multiple types of disrespectful to multiple parties.

If TNA announce they've hired Jay Lethal back and he comes back as Black Machismo I'm seriously finished with them. Sadly, I think they'd do it, rather soon, and promote it on a grand scale.

Aaron Wood

You know, given how they made something of an angle of Lethal's firing, I could already see them bringing him in. Now I can only see them doing it with him as Machismo.

Finally before we take our trip back in time I'd like to step to the side and do a quick shill again. Here's the thing, I'm working on a marketing degree and need to use it at some point. A new product just added to our Random Picture thread by JG.  So.....

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This Week in WWI Forum History

Have you ever had tickets to a sporting event and then shown up at the stadium only to find "Disney on Ice" happening? Probably not. Do you know why? It's usually because most people schedule their events around others schedules. And most venues don't double-book. But in 2009 WWE and the NBA went head-to-head on a double booking in Denver. Not only was it interesting, but it sparked a conversation about what should actually be done.

WWE and NBA both schedule events at same time and place – May 19^th, 2009

HasJam

Raw was supposed to be at the Pepsi Center on Memorial day. The NBA scheduled game 4 of the Denver Nuggets vs the LA Lakers on the same day. So far,it looks like Raw will be moving Colorado Springs.

Nasty Ned

I say the WWE is going to win, and ESPN will go nuts..... What do you think?

The Green Teabagger

The NBA is going to win this fight over the arena, but Vince and the WWE is going to get one hell of a payoff to let it happen.

ThinkSoJoe *Prediction Winner*

if you've seen WWE.com today, you'll know that WWE is saying both MSG and the Staples Center want RAW on Monday. If WWE doesn't win (though, to answer your question, I think they will), I'd love to see RAW emanate from the Staples Center. You've got WWE forced to move from the Pepsi Center because the Nuggets are playing the Lakers, and running a show in LA. That will be a hot crowd, because you know WWE is going to go off on the Nuggets if it happens.

Aaron Wood

The NBA has to "win". No choice either way But the WWE have every right to be pissed, and could possibly sue.

It's funny. Was listening to the Around The Horn & Pardon the Interruption podcasts this morning, and the story was second of the dockets of each show, and the WWE got more respect than I thought they would from the collective of sportwriters on both shows. They both said, in general, that Vince was right and the Nuggets f**ked up royal, They played a clip of Vince on PTI talking to Coach, and the ATH guys showed off some of their wrestling knowledge, although the most recent it got was Tony Reali claiming he loved Tito Santana. But the phenomenal Woody Paige did get a few "WOOOO!"'s in...

Hasjam

the one reason why I posted this topic was that I heard Jim Ross make a comment about the Nuggets owner. It happened again last night,when Matt Stryker made a comment about Carmello. What I don't understand,is why would the Nuggets owner give the ok for a playoff game,if he already booked WWE for the same night

T-Dog

Raw on Monday, SD/ECW/Superstars on Tuesday from the Staples Center in LA next week.
Prepare for really cheap tickets and a show-opening skit

The Green Teabagger

Even stupider, apparently the Nuggets thought they had reached an agreement where WWE would do the show on Sunday and then Vince would come to the game on Monday to APOLOGIZE to Stan Kroenke.

Rowdy Rodimus

The ratings will show who really wins. I just hope Cowherd isn't upset that his precious NBA is beaten by a bunch of booger eating wrestling fans.

Tharvey1

He's probably pissed that WWE is still holding their show somewhere else

I'm going in a different route. Yeah, this past week May 19^th totally took place. There is something I'm truly kind of missing over the past few years. Something I'd like to possibly be brought back. So for now, I'm going to bring to you one of my favorite things from Club WWI, the WWI Forums, and everything about this great site.

See, back in the day, James would ask his audience for the weekly "Moment of Insanity". We'd all weigh in with our thoughts on the week and whatever won we'd hear about on Friday. Needless to say, things got so insane that doing it was a tad redundant. Alas, it's one of those golden gems from the Insanity past. So I bring to you the voting for an old "Moment of Insanity".

The Moment of Insanity – May 26^th 2006

NozeNuggets

Well, I'd have to say MNM breaking up is the MOI for this week.

Melina and Nitro's "firing" paves the way for them to go to RAW, where Melina will win the Ladies' belt, and Nitro will team up with someone on the roster. As for Mercury, he'll stay on SmackDown! and becomes a good singles wrestler.

WolfChild

Actually, Lots of good choices this week.. But I'm going with the Kane "Big Reveal" about May 19th...

Seriously, I laughed.. It was like, Oh.. Yeah, I went crazy about that date because my adopted family died in a fire.. No big whoop... I'm over it now (semi-qouting Snitzky... Who was awesome this week)

He couldn't say this before!? "Hey Show, Dude, lay off that date, my family died on that date.. It bothers me.." Then this whole other person (god I hope anyway) that's messing with him kinda makes since..

Well, except that he sounds identical to Kane himself....

The only thing I pray.. Is that it's not gonna be the Big Khali.. Destroying the family one brother at a time... But I think I would recognize that voice..

I bet it's Pete Rose!!

And from this week's Raw Insanity:

Oh, and the taunting voice-over, of course, is still done in Kane's own voice. Why? Because WWE wants to see how many stupid angles they can get this guy to do with a straight face.

The Green Teabagger

Khali beat the Undertaker clean with a single boot and pinning him with a boot on his face.

Nothing is more insane than that.

Admiral Jumpship

Agree with plenty of candidates this week with May 19th and the MNM break up, but I'm going off the board and say the MOI is the second consecutive appearance of ZZ Top whom haven't had a hit in 15 years and whom gave Candice a "Pearl Necklace".

TheDarkJester

MOI: Chavo telling JBL to stop living in the past (before pointing at the ceiling and shouting viva la raza)

Keevel

MOI? Snitsky's babling reference to Killing Kane's unborn fetus.

that is insane!!! (although terribly funny)

Mike Johns

I'm going to go with MNM's break-up. Just as WWE finally gets something over to the point that it actually begins to draw money on SmackDown, they kill it. Its frustrating!

Dark Lord

Are there any other tragic dates in Kane's past, because I want to know when See No Evil comes out on DVD...

SQUEAKY

This week we lost 'Macho Man' Randy Savage.   People point to guys like Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart as the guys who changed this business, but I will always believe that Savage did the real heavy lifting.   Making that first initial push from 'let's milk this rest hold for 5-6 minutes' to 'I'm going to give people something they've never seen.'

RIP Macho Man.

Sprout1883: from PWInsider

www.TMZ.com is reporting that former WWF and WCW World champion Randy Savage passed away this morning at 10 AM after suffering a heart attack while driving in Florida, where he lived.  
TMZ is quoting Savage's brother Lanny Poffo as their source.  

James Guttman: http://www.worldwrestlinginsanity.com/am2/publish/newsnotes/Macho_Man_Randy_Savage_Passes_Away.shtml

Just put it up. Matt Dawgs sent me a text and I checked it out on TMZ. Awful. Just awful.

xArsenicKissx: Just saw this.  
One of my all time favorite matches and moments was Warrior and Savage at WM7. I loved everything about it, and being a kid, the emotional reunion at the end of the match was very much real.  
I hope Vince does the mature thing with this.

cliffside: My friend woke me up with a phone call telling me the horrible news.

I'm too young to remember him when he was in his prime, but through the benefit of WWE Classics on Demand and YouTube I see that he was one of the greatest of all-time at what he did.

R.I.P

theman6201: My favorite wrestler of all time. Truly saddened by this.

Markus Ramius: my friend just told me on msn about it... i'm in shock, i was hopping we would still get a chance to see him back in WWE in some way  

Mike Johns: Strangely enough, I stumbled onto this yesterday.

http://wheresrandysavage.tumblr.com/

This is a recent post –

James Bullock: My dad just told me, knowing that his feud with Hogan in '89 was what got me hooked on this crazy business. Really shocked and saddened to hear this. I guess God's got someone who can drop a big elbow on Satan now.

The Chosen 1: Oh my God, this is horrible and so unexpected.

On a completely un-human level: You have to know that he was on getting back on good terms again with WWE too, with the whole All-Stars thing... I wonder if this will teach people that waiting and waiting to do something, like honoring Savage in the HOF, is not a way you can live your life because eventually, time is going to run out.

James Bullock: Crazy thing happened to me Saturday -- I had to stop by Walmart on the way home, and decided to check out the new WWE toys. On the shelf sat the new Savage and Bam Bam Bigelow figures. I wanted to take a picture just because I thought it was so cool to finally see another Randy Savage figure, but left my camera in the car (and my phone camera sucks). Like you said, it seemed like things were getting better between Savage and WWE, and the thought that I'd see Savage on WWE TV again was the most exciting thought since Bret coming back for me.

Hellsinger : When I heard this today, I couldn't believe it. Mainly because I was just watching the Tag Match With Hulk Hogan against the Twin Towers!   RIP Macho Man!

TheGreatWhiteDope: I've waited almost a full day since I heard the news to visit this site. One, I had to work. Two, this news hit me hard. Thing is, as I said in my wwi thing, my first memory was when I was 4 years old, Wrestlemania VIII. I remember 3 things from that entire event: Bret Hart, the family feud thing because my mom and I use to watch it every day, and Randy Savage. Now I'd been told I watched wrestling all the time which is why my dad, who loathes wrestling, bought the show. I don't remember any of that. But I do remember Macho Man.

Pro wrestling has been the one constant thing throughout my full life. I think it's why I like this place. While sometimes we bitch, sometimes we hate it all, this is what we all have in common. Some point in our lives we found this magical thing and were sucked into it. There is something special here. We hold pro wrestling and some of the performers, very dear to our hearts. I idolized Randy Savage. Not saying my dad wasn't a stand up guy or anything, he was, but Macho Man was my superhero. Randy Savage and Bret Hart were the two greatest things on the planet to me. I wanted to be The Macho Man. He was my world champion anytime I played with my action figures. He'd win one-on-fifty five man matches because he was Randy Savage.

While I watched any wrestling I could find as a kid I completely searched out Savage. When he moved from WWF to WCW I started to watch WCW whenever Savage was on or talked about. So I dunnio, I heard about it at work and it really shook me. I never met the guy and hell if he never knew about me. Spiderman, which he had a feature role in if you recall his "be a man" song, was amazinlgy enjoyable and I freaked out when I saw Savage. I didn't know he was in there and it was the greatest surprise.

I dunno, I feel I'm rambling throughout this whole thing. Losing an idol is just kinda odd for me I guess, I've put a few of these guys on a pedestal. Savage sat above them all. I've kept this in for a day. I decided to let it out here as the one place where I think even if anyone doesn't fully get it. They won't react with "he was just some wrestler".

So when I trained for wrestling after about six months we were allowed to go in a little early and warm up, practice a few things we learned before hand. Just extra time in the ring. So multiple times, at least once weekly, I'd arrive twenty minutes before even the earliest guy arrived. The whole reason I went in early was to stretch, and practice the Savage Elbow Drop. It's the one thing I wanted to do. Savage showed me as a kid that people could fly. I just wanted to be Savage for like 6 seconds. I practiced that maneuver at least fifty times or more.

I never felt I got the distance or height I wanted, so I completely ignored doing it infront of anyone. I didn't want to put the move to shame. This guy got me into this crazy thing I absolutely enjoy. Everyone here has something, someone in the business like that. It's just a really big bummer. I don't know, it's just kinda out of nowhere. That might be the thing that gets to me with the whole thing. I just don't think it's that fitting of an end for Macho Man. Maybe that's my biggest problem. Even if the HoF is a bunch of bull and a way for Vince to make money....it really is something for the fans. I guess I just don't want some fans final memories of Savage to be him kinda standing TNA up. I'd rather of had him be able to give a proper good-bye.

This just kinda sucks. So, I'm gonna go to ROH tonight, and I'm assuming there is gonna be a 10 bell salute. Everyone in that crowd is probably, in some part, there due to Savage, both backstage and in the crowd.

Shitty news. And I don't think Rest in Peace could do him enough justice. But that is really all I got.

Rest in Peace Savage. You were the greatest.

ZAH: Vince should suck it up and induct Savage himself. I mean, it was his own arrogance and anger (for whatever reason) that prevented Savage from already being in the HoF, so Vince should take responsibility and do it himself. *

* Not that I'm bitter or anything.

PeterDawson: According to Roddy Piper's twitter ( http://twitter.com/#!/R_Roddy_Piper   currently 5th post down) it was a matter of Randy slapping Vince at a bar. Considering other people who've hit Vince (Nailz and Bret Hart, though the latter was a unique situation and did get resolved recently) have been persona non grata it makes sense. I mean, no matter how popular a guy is, would you bring him back to a company where he physically attacked the boss?  

Really the whole thing's quite tragic. Randy was in no less than 5 iconic feuds in the WWE back in the day (Steamboat, Hogan, Warrior, Roberts, Flair) and, if Hogan's comments in some DVDs is to be believed, was a big factor due to how much of a big event planner he was.

James Guttman: I still think it was mutual. They both probably figured they had all the time in the world to make it happen and wanted to milk it for as long as they could. It's a chilling reminder that tomorrow is never guaranteed. I think the idea that it was done out of malice stems from the fact that the other glaring holdout - Bruno Sammartino - was kept out for that reason. I really don't think Randy was the same case.

As for who it's going to be, I think it's going to be Steamboat inducting him with his wife (possibly with Lanny Poffo) accepting.

TheGreatWhiteDope: 

This has always been one of my favorite Savage promos. There is one line in here, you'll know it when you hear it, that just makes me laugh every single time.

Aaron Wood: WWE video on Savage. Chances are this could air on the PPV tomorrow and/or RAW.

http://vids.wwe.com/12086/a-special-look-back-at-the-incom

ZAH: That's pretty awesome. I could watch hours of Savage memories, though...but this was a great 90 second package. Classy stuff.

Markius Ramius: Breaking News Report...

Macho Man Randy savage has stopped the impending rapture with a big elbow drop followed by a triumphant "oooohhhh yeeeeahhhh" sources say he later snapped into a Slim Jim

Changing gears instantly...SOMEONE F***ED KHARMA?

PeterDawson: So the Wrestling Observer ( http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/20746/ ) is reporting that Kharma, mere weeks after her debut mind you, is now being written out for 9 freaking months, hence why she broke down last night. I for one looked at the number and muttered, "Pregnant?"

xArsenicKissx: So I'm seeing this floating around a couple of sites at the moment as being the reason for her 'breakdown' on Monday night. Anyone else heard this?

PeterDawson: Yeah its apparently the case. It was first reported Monday's crying game was a way to write her out for 9 months and when I looked at the specific number I figured that was it. Sounds like it can be confirmed. Even if it isn't officially confirmed with the specific number they picked its probably that or some kind of big surgery, I certainly doubt something like FCW.

Squeaky: CM PUNK STRIKES AGAIN!

exx: I was wondering what Edge has been up to since his retirement :D

xArsenicKissx: Just as the Diva's division was starting to get a little exciting again, the rug is pulled out from right under our feet. Guess Beth can go back to destroying people now instead

Squeaky: Um also HEY CONGRATS TO KHARMA! Seriously.

xArsenicKissx: Absolutely.
One site reporting on the news said how it was a blow to her career. Umm, priorities guys!

PeterDavidson: Yes, how dare the miracle of life interfere with someone's career. Next thing you know they'll be asking time off for marriages and deaths in the family! How unprofessional.

Aaron Wood: Well, it is kinda finished, isn't it? She's out and forgotten for AT LEAST the next 8 months while pregnant, and I can't imagine she'd want to wrestle any time soon after that, so that's, what, a year. And even then, I cannot fathom that she'd want to work ANY sort of travelling schedule with a baby in tow, or go around the world without the child, assuming the father is one who will look after the kid at home himself.

And then, while I'm certainly not saying WWE should fire her, if this was something she was trying to do, I'd understand if they were almightily pissed, having put the push into her debut that they did.

I mean, Sin Cara & Kharma are being put forth as "HHH's first two signings" to the company, as he takes on a lead role. And let's face it, Sin Cara has already been put on the taped show lest he needs editing, thanks to a pair of nearly botched entrances and put on PPV where they royally f**ked the finish and now they've going to lose kharma for nine months, probably more, possibly forever.

I mean, hearty congraulations to her and that father. Always good news. Just talking pragmatically here.

ZAH: Bottom line is this: if she is pregnant, how many women have come BACK to professional wrestling/sports entertainment after having a child? I can't think of any off the top of my head. So if she's pregnant, then the career is over.

In terms of Sin Cara, watch the f**king match with Chavo again, numnuts. Chavo was winded and was the reason the finish was f**ked up...NOT Sin Cara. I mean...you're gonna shit on the guy because he slightly missed bouncing on a trampoline and "flying" into the ring? I'd like to see you stand on a trampoline without it hitting the ground, much less try to do an entrance on it.

Jealousy's a motherf**ker, ain't it?

Mike Johns: I can name at least two - Allison Danger & Madison Eagles (who's actually doing a heavier schedule after two kids than she did before having them). I do believe Jazz has kids, too, but I could be wrong about her.  

Pregnancy is not necessarily a career ender. It can be, but not always.

ZAH: Well no offense, Mike...but who is Madison Eagles? Never heard of her. And as much as I like Allison Danger, it's not like she's a major player or anything. And Jazz? Yikes.

No...I'm talking actual stars here. Women in major promotions who have gotten pregnant and have come back.

I honestly think that if Kharma's actually pregnant, then her career is done. At least in WWE...and if she starts back elsewhere, nobody will care.

Squeaky: I mean it's not like she's showing off her stomach wearing skimpy diva outfits, absolutely she can come back.

Average: I'd f**k her.

WWE was OVER THIS LIMIT this past Sunday.   The limit of course being reason, and sanity, and intelligent storytelling.   Listen, they s**t the bed with this pay per view ok? There's no two ways around it.   Now my opinion, just a fact.

Drewcifer: It's like 1995 all over again, except Jerry Lawler is Bret Hart and Michael Cole is Jerry Lawler. Wait, what?

RowdyRodimus: Zeke is Ahmed Johnson 2.0

James Guttman: Absolutely.

Watching these two guys work to a sleeping crowd speaks volumes. They should be feuding with established guys - not each other.

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James Guttman: You forgot an r.

Also, I'm sorry - but Booker T is just awful. It hurts my head.

PeterDawson: Yeah pretty weak so far. At least this Sin Cara versus Chavo is okay and Truth won, which was something he pretty much needed.

Drewcifer: I was a little let down by the Chavo-Sin Cara match. I'd been hearing that they've been tearing down the house at live shows. I guess they had a little more time constraints than they do untelevised.

RowdyRodimus: 60-65% of Americans don't like Obama, so why use him to "endorse" your PPV? That is alienating your audience.

And these three women in this match have the wrestling ability of ODB's left tit and this match is higher on the card than CM Punk, Sin Cara, Mysterio and Truth. I guess they want to make sure the fans that slept through the last hour don't wake up too suddenly.

Drewcifer: WHOA!
 

RowdyRodimus: Bret looks like Chris Harris now...

Drewcifer: Cool!

They kept the inflatable "AWESOME!" from Wrestlemania! I was actually wondering what it cost them for something they'd only use once.

RowdyRodimus: Remember the old SNL Bill Bradsky skits? People need to get together and do a John Cena version on ClubWWI.

Drewcifer: John Cena once won fifty straight games of pool even though he was temporarily blinded from drinking a gallon of paint thinner.

RowdyRodimus: This main event feels like they are trying to make Cena into a Christ type figure in a version of Passion of the Cena

PeterDawson: Well Cena's better than Superman in that lead can't block his merch powers. I guess his red stuff grants him Protection from Lead. Then there's the time he activated God-mode at Wrestlemania XXVII...

The Green Teabagger:

RowdyRodimus: That was pathetic. I know we are supposed to respect Cena more after this, but all it did was make Miz look weak and make us that hate Cena hate him more for being unstoppable. At least Hogan would wear a bandage for a month or so after getting beat to hell.

PeterDawson: Yeah, this show sucked. Flat-out. The only, ONLY, redeeming factors in my eyes were that R-Truth got over a major face, which seems to Rey Mysterio's lot in the WWE right now but then again it has been on and off for quite a while; Sin Cara versus Chavo and even then people like to say the house shows were better (at least according to my twitter); and the Cole-Lawler match which was pretty much what they should have done at Wrestlemania, just swap Bret for Austin and have Swagger in there. It's really sad when the good parts either are too late to save a feud or not that interesting though fine enough lower-card matches.

The Green Teabagger: I didn't see the event, but I have one question.

Did anyone who watched this PPV honestly expect Cena-Miz to play out any differently in the end? *Miz-izm* really? Really? REALLY?

PeterDawson: I knew Cena was going to win, I just didn't think they'd bury Miz as much as they did. WWE has been saying they have big plans for him and apparently they involve a shovel.

The Chosen 1: About the MAIN EVENT: I liked it. I would have preferred Cena do something a little more intense and crazy than a simple STF, based on the fact that ALL of his previous I QUITS have ended in some crazy unique way but I think the story of the match was perfect. Miz really came across like a sadistic maniac, and it was insane watching a man getting practically tortured... Cena sold it amazingly. Though judging by the visible welts and wounds it might not been than hard to do so. I definitely had a PASSION OF THE CHRIST flashback with the whipping.  

Surprised no one on here mentioned that they attempted to re-do the ROCK-MANKIND ending with the recording.

It's sad but just IMAGINE how much cooler Miz's interaction with that kid would have been in the 80's or maybe even just a better kid.. he was just kind of staring at Miz... and going "yeah, look, whatever guy, he's gonna beat you... so I'm gonna just sit here and pretend he's not"

ALSO VERY SURPRISED That No One Noticed CM Punk paying tribute to Randy Savage with his own [missed] elbow drop. He did the whole Savage thing.  

TheGreatWhiteDope: James, Booker T is WWE's John Madden. I've been saying it for months. And I kind of enjoy it. "He kicked him in the head. That's gonna hurt his head." - Brilliant stuff.

T-Dog: Basically we saw the Passion of the Cena for 20 minutes, then Cena ripped himself off the cross, dusted himself off, gave the centurion an AA and got Pontius Pilot to tap out to the STF on the top of Mount Calvary.

exx: Pretty skipable show aside from the great match Orton and Christian had. That should have been the main event.  

The Cole thing was satisfying.  

I think I could have dealt with the Cena/Miz thing better as a raw main event. Doing that on pay per view was pretty lousy. As soon as it was clear it was gonna be a handicapped match, I knew it had no hope. It was just so stupid how Miz would tell Cena what he's gonna do and Cena would just sit there and take it. Not attempt to move out of the way or block the attack but instead do his best Tommy Dreamer impersonation. And what the hell was up with that line from Booker about Cena having limited talent and ability. The announcers were pretty annoying in general all night long.  

Can Sin Cara ever have a match without botching the finish?

Squeaky: So after all this Cole nonsense and all the heat he had, this entire angle has elevated...

...

...wait for it...

...nobody.

Aaron Wood: You could argue Jack Swagger was booked better here than his World Title run.

Mike Johns: I was booked better than Swagger in his title run.

JohnnyCraze: Didn't see the ppv. After reading this thread, it looked like it sucked.

That it did.   And then there was Raw, to remind us that, well it happens live every Monday so usually they're just out there winging it.   Stay classy WWE!

JohnnyCraze: John Cena is still WWE Champion. Suprised? Anyone? Didn't think so. What will he say tonight?
Did ADR even have a match at the ppv?
Lawler finally beat Cole and hopefully this fued is now over.

Side note, the season finale of House is on tonight.

wolfchild: No Cole Mine. Hopefully feud is over.

JohnnyCraze: and Cena comes out to ruin everything

The Green Teabagger: R-Truth's getting pushed that much?

Are we actually going to get Cena-Truth??

SOMEONE FIND THE CAR RAPS!

wolfchild: Oh god... Punk's gonna get pinned by Cena and a little piece of myself cries inside.

RowdyRodimus: The Two-Face Memorial WWE Tag Team Giant Penny Title Belts!

TheGreenTeabagger: You cannot seriously f**king tell me they just put the tag team titles on Michael McMediocre and David 'D-List' Otunga?


f**k.

JohnnyCraze: you've got to be kidding me....that DDT pinned Big Show?

JT: Don't forget Punk's kick. It must be the new super kick of doom or something.

PeterDawson: So the tag team division currently consists of The Usos, Kane and Big Show, Slater and Gabriel and then McGuillifect and Otudson, at the last of the four, the only ones who I didn't even bother to name properly, are the champions. The sad part was I liked the idea of Punk tagging with a guy like Mason Ryan.

wolfchild: I never thought I'd say this... Never, never, never.  

I miss Cole.  

Things are really stale without him.

JohnnyCraze: Wow, Kane showing compassion for someone.

I guess this means Show will be out for a while.

wolfchild: If Cena got hit by that car, The car would have flipped over and exploded. With Cena unhurt.

Just saying...

JT: I keep forgetting that Evan Bourne is on RAW.

The Green Teabagger: So does WWE.

JohnnyCraze: Hello Miz. Welcome to mid-card ranking. Have fun.

wolfchild: Never thought I'd hear a 'Riley' chant

Average: Did I just witness the birth of a star for Riley or Miz's fall from grace?

JohnnyCraze: Cole loves the divas?? Is he on medication?

The Green Teabagger: Time for a Kharma buffet.

And Kelly Kelly is higher on the food chain than Beth Phoenix. I'd say there's no God, but C.M. Punk was on the show earlier.

Average: If Kharma wrecks all these bitches, I'm going to lose my shit!

The Green Teabagger: Gail Kim's like "I know this bitch, she ain't that tough......secretly runs away"

JohnnyCraze: what in the blue hell was that??

The Green Teabagger: Jeff Hardy's watching this show and saying "These f**kers are on crack tonight."

wolfchild: This is a very slow build to greatness or a severe disappointment. I'm not sure which yet. (Editors Note: Severe Disappointment)

JohnnyCraze: Kharma wishes she was as pretty as those divas....either that or she just wanted to kiss Kelly Kelly.

PeterDawson: I think Alex Riley found the urn that powers Kharma. How else could he have grown enough balls to do what he did while she did... that!

The Green Teabagger: At this rate, I'd almost expect Kofi Kingston to lose the US Title to a Superstars wrestler. Right now.

wolfchild: If Drew wins then I fully expect Cena to get a severe paper cut backstage and needs to be subbed in the main event by... Zack Ryder!!

JT: Looks like Dolph Ziggler ran out of hair dye.

The Green Teabagger: So....real question because I honestly don't know or remember.

Did Macho Man EVER get to beat Hulk Hogan? Even once?

Mike Johns: No.

One of many reasons Friends Don't Let Friends Be Hulkamaniacs...

Sean: It really sucks that this had to be the reason he's being mentioned again

Eaglesfn345: Punk is donning salmon-colored trunks + yellow boots...nice tribute to the Macho Man

The Green Teabagger: Punk is wearing Randy Savage trunks against the WWE's modern day version of Hulk Hogan.

I think we can all see where this is going.

RowdyRodimus: So does that mean Truth is the modern day Zeus?

wolfchild: And Mason Ryan is the modern day Elizabeth?

JohnnyCraze: Well, that was a stupid ending

PeterDawson: It was an okay Raw I guess. Stuff happened in any event, stuff we'd been waiting for. Well, maybe not the whole Kharma crying thing, but Truth apparently getting ready for a title shot, A-Ri quitting, Cole not being such an annoying commentator...

Aaron Wood: Well Christ-alive. They sure got Alex Riley over as a babyface, huh?

It's almost too much crazy for three writers to take.