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Eugene Sandow and Mike Rickard
By Eugene Sandow & Mike Rickard
Nov 14, 2005, 17:37
(Note:
Uncle Ralph will not be here tonight. He had a prior
engagement. When we asked what it was, he laughed and
hung up. He will return next week...no matter how much
we beg him not to)
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1) Should Vince McMahon step down
as head of WWE?
Eugene Sandow: While
recognizing that WWE is in a major slump, I’m
not sure that Vince McMahon should resign as head of
WWE. The argument for McMahon resigning seems to boil
down to a belief that McMahon, at 60-years-old, is out-of-touch
and no longer understands what wrestling fans want to
see. As evidence of this, people cite WWE’s juvenile,
poor, and repetitive storylines, and the downward trend
in television ratings since Raw’s USA Homecoming.
Undoubtedly, WWE is in a creative slump, but I don’t
see it as necessarily any worse or more troubling than
past slumps.
There’s a myth surrounding McMahon the promoter,
a myth that everything he touches turns to gold. If
you accept this myth, current trends are unprecedented,
and McMahon comes off as having lost his touch. But
is what we’re seeing now any worse than what WWE
was presenting in the early 1990s? Is anything that
WWE is presenting today as bad as Papa Shango’s
voodoo curse on the Ultimate Warrior? The answer, in
my opinion, is a resounding “No!” What Vince
McMahon has always excelled at is borrowing or even
stealing others’ successful ideas, and riding
them for all they’re worth. Much of the success
of the first WWF wrestling boom was a result of innovations,
like high-production television values and a rock ‘n
roll atmosphere, borrowed from Fritz Von Erich’s
World Class Championship Wrestling, and the use of wrestlers
– none bigger than Hulk Hogan – who had
already made names for themselves elsewhere. Indeed,
Hulk Hogan became the biggest drawing card in the United
States while he was still in the AWA, and the idea that
Vince McMahon somehow “created” Hulkamania
is itself nothing more than another McMyth. The rise
of Steve Austin was due to luck more than anything else,
as McMahon had initially saddled the greatest superstar
in the history of the business with the stock “Ringmaster”
gimmick. Steve Austin became a breakout star mostly
through sheer willpower and luck; had things gone a
bit differently, the Austin attitude era might never
have existed. Moreover, Austin’s arch-nemesis,
the evil Mr. McMahon, was himself an accidental creation
borne of the perceived necessity of double-crossing
Bret Hart. WWE is in a slump right now, but it too will
pass. The next big thing will eventually come along,
and, when it does, McMahon will be there to ride that
train for all it’s worth.
Mike Rickard: First off, I’d
like to send my condolences out to the family and friends
of Eddie Guerrero. Eddie Guerrero was an amazing athlete
who entertained fans on so many levels. From what I
have heard of him, he was a remarkable man who fought
hard to come back from adversity and make his family
proud. He will be missed.
In some ways, Vince McMahon reminds me
of Theoden from Tolkein’s The Lord of the Rings,
the once great king who is now a shell of himself and
who relies on the bad advice of Wormtongue, a power-hungry
advisor. Despite the fact that his kingdom is beset
by invaders, Theoden is oblivious to everything and
the bad advice of Wormtongue has caused him to shut
out his friends and family. Only the arrival of the
powerful wizard Gandalf frees Théoden’s
from the evil influence just in time to save his kingdom.
Likewise, Vince McMahon has surrounded himself with
bad advisors such as John Laurinaitis (the wrestler
formerly known as Johnny Ace) and he seems oblivious
to the fact that the company he took from a regional
promotion into an international one is crumbling in
front of him.
Despite the obvious flaws in the WWE
today, I think it would be insane for Vince McMahon
to step down as head of the WWE. Given Vince McMahon’s
ability to survive the tough times (the steroid trial
and, the Monday Night War being two examples) and his
remarkable ability to bounce back from defeat with unbridled
success, there is nothing good to be gained from him
walking away from the company he built. Vince McMahon
has demonstrated numerous times that he is able to weather
adversity (in fact he thrives on adversity) and that
with the right group of talent working for him, he is
unstoppable.
Therein lies the problem as well as the
reason why Vince should not step down. Right now, McMahon
has surrounded himself with people whose talent for
ass-kissing is only eclipsed by their lack of creativity
and common sense. Johnny Ace, the not so dynamic dude
and head writer Stephanie McMahon have managed to ignore
the basics of professional wrestling while incorporating
the worst aspects of Hollywood writing to create a product
that continues to drive away long-time fans and which
fails to bring in any new ones. To make things worse,
Laurinaitis has transformed the WWE locker room from
heaven into hell and distinguished himself by sending
numerous long-time WWE employees packing (Dave Hebner,
Jim Ross, Pat Patterson, and Tom Pritchard to name a
few). With a track record like this, would you want
these people running the company unfettered?
There is no question that Vince McMahon
deserves a large portion of the blame for allowing his
company to rot from within. He has blinded himself to
the incompetence around him and failed to listen to
those willing to give him an honest, critical opinion
of his company’s failings. Like Theoden, Vince
needs someone like Gandalf to give him that moment of
lucidity in which he realizes the mistakes he has made
and he takes the action necessary to restore his company
to greatness. As before when Vince has grown complacent,
a strong competitor is the most likely way to see Vince
come out of his creative coma. Until then, a complacent
Vince is still light years ahead of the creatively bankrupt
people working under him.
2. Which performer do you feel
has been over pushed considering his/her lack of ability?
Sandow: In terms of workrate,
the most overpushed wrestler is probably John Cena,
but to view talent in terms of workrate alone is to
misunderstand what it takes for a wrestler to achieve
success in the business. Cena has charisma and speaking
ability to spare, sells tons of merchandise, and deserves
a major push. To me, lack of ability means more than
an inability to work a good wrestling match –
a true no talent wrestler lacks three things: (1) charisma,
(2) promo ability, and (3) workrate. Right now, the
wrestler receiving the greatest push at odds with his
level of ability is Chris Masters, who is an upper mid-card
act, but brings very little to the table aside from
a chemically enhanced physique. Masters is not terrible
in the ring or on the stick, but he’s not what
I’d describe as talented in either department,
either. And there’s a severe lack of charisma
emanating from the Masterpiece, which is something no
amount of training will remedy. Yet WWE seems intent
on trying to make Masters a top-level act. Masters has
a finishing maneuver that nobody – not even a
legend like Shawn Michaels – is permitted to actively
break. Masters rarely jobs; the only high profile television
jobs he’s done that come to mind were against
Shawn Michaels at Unforgiven and his doing the honors
at Taboo Tuesday in the Raw vs. Smackdown match. Chris
Masters’s push is not at all commensurate with
his level of skill. WWE would be much better served
by using the time spent attempting to “make”
Masters by instead attempting to “make,”
for instance, Shelton Benjamin, who, for unknown reasons,
really seems to be in the doghouse these days, and,
consequently, might be the most underpushed talent in
the organization.
Rickard: One only has
to look at the top of the RAW roster to see that John
Cena is over pushed given his lack of ability. It’s
easy to see that the WWE has big plans for John Cena.
If everything goes right, John Cena could be a multi-talented
success for the WWE with success in the world of wrestling,
music, and film. The WWE has given Cena the lead role
in one of their films, promoted his rap CD heavily,
and given him the top spot on their flagship show.
Despite all that has been invested, it’s
time for the WWE to realize that John Cena is not the
man to carry the RAW brand. Cena has tremendous charisma
but every week it becomes abundantly clear that Cena
the wrestler is not growing in the ring. Furthermore,
more and more fans are growing tired with Cena’s
push given his lack of ability in the ring (and yes,
even on the mic). What were once infrequent incidents
of fans booing Cena have become common. John Cena, the
cocky heel that won the fans’ cheers has been
absent for years and mainstream fans have finally noticed.
He’s not cool and he doesn’t have the Rey
Mysterio level of talent to make up for things by dazzling
fans. What’s worse, Cena doesn’t seem compelled
to improve himself in the ring.
There’s no doubt that Cena still
has a sizable number of fans but given the fans willingness
to get behind more skilled wrestlers such as Kurt Angle
and Shawn Michaels, it seems foolish to leave the strap
on Cena or to push him so hard. If the WWE feels they
have too much invested in him with his CD and upcoming
film, they could keep him in the limelight without having
to have him as their main event.
Given the increase in fans’ dissatisfaction
with Cena and Cena’s unwillingness to improve
his ring skills, I think his push is not justified.
There are several other wrestlers who would probably
benefit from a Cena level push such as Carlito and Shelton
Benjamin. If the WWE doesn’t want to gamble on
them, then they should stick with the already established
stars like Shawn Michaels and Kurt Angle who the fans
are more than willing to cheer and support.
3. If you could book one dream
match between any performers (tag teams or singles)
in history, who would it be and why?
Sandow: My dream match
would be between the late 1980s Ricky Steamboat and
the early 2000s Kurt Angle. My mind’s eye tells
me their styles would mesh and would result in classic
matches. Steamboat’s extraordinary selling ability
exceeds that of even Shawn Michaels, and we’ve
seen what Michaels and Angle can do. I have no doubt
these two would click. If I could pick one dream match
between opponents of different eras, after giving it
much thought, it would undoubtedly be Kurt Angle vs.
Ricky Steamboat.
Rickard: Father Time
is a miserable old bastard. Whether it’s an encounter
between the 1978 Pittsburgh Steelers and the 2004 New
England Patriots, Muhammad Ali vs. Mike Tyson, or Frank
Gotch versus Kurt Angle, the ravages of time have made
such encounters either impossible or stripped them of
any value. Barring the discovery of time travel, that’s
why such match-ups are usually called dream matches.
Rare is the occasion when the best of the best meet
and even then, it’s usually an encounter tainted
by the ravages of time. Whether it’s Andre/Hogan
or Angles/Flair, few match-ups are made when both wrestlers
are in their prime which means fans aren’t getting
all they could. The recent match between Ric Flair and
Kurt Angle on Monday Night RAW was a lot of fun but
just imagine what it would have been like had the Ric
Flair from1989 squared off against the pre-WWE Neck
Injury for Men Club Kurt Angle of 2001.
Let’s imagine though that wrestlers
from any time period are available to be matched against
each other. Since we are dealing in the realm of fantasy,
let’s do things right and establish that each
wrestler is in their prime and that the WWE writing
team has gone back to their old jobs writing for Passions
and the Lifetime Network. For the intents of this exercise,
life is but a dream and everything is going to be done
right from build-up to post-match celebration.
Unlike a genie, I don’t have three
wishes, only one. Do you ask for a classic scientific
encounter between mat technicians like Lou Thesz and
Kurt Angle, go with a wild match-up between two monsters
like the Undertaker and Andre the Giant, dazzle your
audience with unparalleled tag team excitement like
the British Bulldogs vs. Argentina Rocca and Miguel
Perez Sr., or see the originator of a persona like the
Crusher square off against his modern counterpart “Stone
Cold” Steve Austin.
After much consideration, my personal
dream match would be “Nature Boy” Buddy
Rogers versus “Nature Boy” Ric Flair. While
both men wrestled in the late 70’s over the title
of “Nature Boy”, Rogers was far past his
prime. Rogers’ was the epitome of professional
wrestling, he had the look and ability of a wrestler
(although he was nowhere near the level wrestling-wise
of his era’s other top star Lou Thesz) matched
with an extraordinary charisma that served him well
during wrestling’s first golden age on television.
His showmanship and ability made him one of the all-time
greats and I can think of no better opponent for him
than the man who carried the legacy of “The Nature
Boy” to even greater heights.
The build-up would be done perfectly.
For the sake of this dream encounter, both men have
been wrestling for ten years and won world titles in
their respective federations. The setting is December
1984. After defeating Harley Race for his second NWA
World Heavyweight Title, Ric Flair has a stranglehold
on the belt despite stiff competition from around the
world. In the WWF, Buddy Rogers has regained the WWF
Heavyweight Title from Bob Backlund in a controversial
match in which Backlund’s manager Arnold Skaaland
threw in the towel after Backlund refused to surrender
to Roger’s grapevine (a variation on the figure
four leglock0. In this reality, Vince McMahon Sr. is
running the show, the cancer that took his life having
never happened. Both men have a remarkably similar style
in their matches, that of a scientific wrestler who
is never above using heelish tactics when the situation
calls for it. Both men are equally flamboyant in the
ring and during interviews; their ability to incite
fans and opponents with just a few words makes them
a top draw wherever and whenever they wrestle.
Over the last few years, fans have speculated
what would happen if and when the two meet up. A Pro
Wrestling Illustrated poll shows fans split down the
middle on who would win and it sparks a write-in campaign
by both WWF and NWA fans to make the dream a reality.
While interpromotional matches are not unheard of, they
are rare but the money-making potential of this match
coupled with the rise of cable television make it inevitable.
In a rare move, Vince McMahon Sr. takes
the advice of his son and decides to explore the money-making
potential of pay-per-view. The success of Starcade convinces
McMahon Sr. that his son may be right in suggesting
that fans will pay to watch a match on closed-circuit
television. McMahon Sr. and the directors of the National
Wrestling Alliance get to work on making the first inter-promotional
pay-per-view a reality. When AWA promoter Verne Gagne
hears of the collaboration, he tries to convince the
WWF and NWA to let him in on the action. After persuading
Hulk Hogan to stay in the AWA, Gagne’s promotion
has been doing record business and the NWA and WWF see
no reason why they should let Gagne benefit any further
from the success of Hulk-a-mania.
Things start off peacefully enough at
a press conference held in Jim Crockett Promotions’
home base of Charlotte, North Carolina. There, both
men admit their grudging respect for each other’s
style of wrestling but things begin to break down when
Rogers criticizes the lack of talent in the NWA compared
to the WWF. Flair laughs and points out that there isn’t
a wrestler alive in the WWF who could last ten minutes
with him. Former WWF champion Bob Backlund grabs a microphone
and asks Flair if he’d like to put his money where
his mouth is and offers to wrestle Flair in Madison
Square Garden in an exhibition match for charity. With
the tremendous press coverage for the event, Flair has
no choice but to agree. Never one to be out shown, Rogers
offers to meet the NWA’s current number one contender
Kerry Von Erich in a charity match on that same card.
Both matches prove to be very one-sided
affairs. Von Erich’s power and conditioning prove
to be no match for the experience and heel tactics of
Rogers. After missing a discus punch and accidentally
striking the referee, Von Erich’s knee is clipped
by Rogers while he checks on the referee. Rogers applies
his figure four leglock which is even more potent than
Flair’s and grabs the ropes for extra leverage
as the referee slowly comes to consciousness. After
minutes in the grapevine, Von Erich has no choice but
to give up. In Backlund’s case, he is still recovering
from the leg injury sustained when he lost the title
to Rogers and as always, Flair capitalizes on his opponent’s
weakness to score the win.
While the match with Backlund and Flair
is over, things are just beginning for Rogers and Flair.
After Flair refuses to break the figure four leglock,
the WWF champion Buddy Rogers (who was calling color
commentary) rushes the ring. Rather than helping Backlund
though, he begins laying the boots to the former collegiate
star. Only the arrival of popular WWF stars Tito Santana
and the Junkyard Dog are enough to run off Rogers and
Flair.
Promoters and fans are shocked to see
Flair and Rogers joining forces. The two shake hands
and cut a promo outside the ring where they call themselves
the kings of professional wrestling. A week later, promoters
decide to capitalize on this by pitting the interpromotional
team of Andre the Giant and Ricky Steamboat against
Rogers and Flair. The match is signed for the Omni in
Atlanta, Georgia.
Once the match begins, Flair and Rogers
find themselves in for the fight of their lives. Despite
their game plan of keeping Andre out of the match, Steamboat
is dazzling both Rogers and Flair with his lightning
fast moves. Once Andre is tagged in, all seems lost
until Flair uses a pair of brass knuckles to bust Andre
open and he goes to work on the now floored Giant’s
legs. Unfortunately for Flair, this match is being refereed
by Tommy Young who sees the brass knuckles and he calls
for the disqualification. Rogers cannot believe Flair
has been disqualified and he begins shoving the NWA
world champion. Fans at ringside can hear Rogers yelling
at Flair, admonishing him for getting caught and saying
that he would never have been caught. As Steamboat tends
to Andre, Flair and Rogers begin exchanging punches
but are separated before things escalate further.
It becomes abundantly clear that there
can only be one king of professional wrestling. The
WWF and NWA eagerly sign the match between Rogers and
Flair for a special show to be held in Madison Square
Garden (a coin toss having determined which promotion
would showcase the event). The event quickly becomes
known as “Wrestlemania” and Rogers/Flair
is just one of several interpromotional matches. Tickets
sell out in record time but fans are delighted to know
that the show will be broadcast throughout the world
on closed-circuit television and in some cases, in people’s
homes thanks to a new cable television technology known
as pay-per-view. The matches held on the card include:
Flag Match
The U.S. Express (Barry Windham &
Mike Rotunda), Sgt. Slaughter & Hacksaw Jim Duggan
vs. Ivan Koloff, Krusher Krushchev, Nikolai Volkoff,
& the Iron Sheik (managed by Skandor Akbar)
Chicken wing vs. the Claw
Bob Backlund vs. Kerry Von Erich
30 man Battle Royal
WWF Tag Team Champions the Wild Samoans
vs. National Tag Team Champions the Road Warriors
WWF Intercontinental Champion Tito Santana
vs. NWA U.S. Champion Greg Valentine
The main event of Rogers vs. Flair turns
out to be a 60 minute classic. Both men start off with
a surprising series of scientific moves to wear each
other down. At the twenty minute mark, Flair begins
using heelish tactics to get the edge but it isn’t
long before Rogers uses his own underhanded tactics
and takes things outside the ring. The two brawl in
and out of the ring for the next ten minutes, turning
each other’s faces into the proverbial crimson
mask. Once again, Flair gains the upper hand and he
proceeds to lock Rogers in the figure four leglock.
The hold is locked in square in the center of the ring
but after three agonizing minutes in the hold, Rogers
somehow manages to reverse the hold. Flair learns firsthand
of the superior power of Rogers’ grapevine but
his legendary conditioning once again pays off and Flair
is able to reach the ropes. Flair cries out that it
is time to take Rogers to school and he lays into Rogers
with a barrage of blistering chops followed by an Irish
whip and a back body drop that has Rogers reeling. Flair
then picks Rogers up for a Piledriver and drives Rogers
bloody head into the mat. At that point Flair begins
to strut around the ring as Rogers lies still. Then
an amazing hush in the audience changes to cheers for
Rogers. As the fans chant “Buddy, Buddy”
Rogers finds himself energized by the fans and he somehow
finds the strength to rise to his feet. Realizing his
mistake, Flair suplexes Flair and heads to the top rope.
However like Flair, Rogers recuperative powers are amazing
and at the last minute he rolls out of the way as Flair
dives off with a cross body block. Rogers covers Flair
for the pin and using the ropes for extra leverage,
gets the pinfall with just thirty seconds remaining,
Rogers has won, a tainted victory but a victory nonetheless.
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